Auclair v. AuclairAuclair v. Auclair
On June 27, 1981, Alison and Nicholas Auclair, appellees, were married. Two children, Austin and Vanessa, were born of the marriage. The family also adopted two children, Jordan and Brenton. On November 17, 1997, Alison filed a complaint for divorce and custody of Austin, Jordan, and Vanessa in the Circuit Court for Charles County. 1 Nicholas filed a timely counter-complaint for divorce and joint custody of Austin, Jordan, and Vanessa. Alison subsequently was awarded pendente lite custody of Austin, age 16, Jordan, age 14, and Vanessa, age 12. 2 On February 5, 1998, the court appointed Diana Donahue as guardian ad litem for the Auclair children, instructing that she was to represent their interests in, and submit recommendations regarding the parents’ custody dispute. On March 25, 1998, Alison filed a motion to remove Donahue as guardian ad litem. The trial court granted Alison’s request and, on April 14, 1998, the court appointed Cecilia Keller to replace Donahue.
On November 19, 1998,
I. Did the lower court commit reversible error when it denied appellants’ motion to intervene?
II. Did the lower court commit reversible error by denying the minor children the right to have an advocate for their preferences participate in their parents’ custody dispute?
III. Did the lower court commit reversible error when it instructed Carrico that he could not speak with the minor children?
For the reasons discussed herein, we affirm in part and vacate in part the judgment of the lower court.
FACTS
On November 2, 1997, Alison filed a complaint for divorce. At a January 21,1998 hearing, pendente lite custody of Austin, Vanessa, and Jordan was granted to Alison. In addition, on February 8, 1998, the trial court appointed Donahue as the children’s guardian ad litem. The order stated that Donahue would represent the interests of the children in all of the matters relating to their parents’ divorce and would have the authority to waive or assert the children’s privileges, including the psychiatrist-patient privilege. Donahue was further instructed to submit her recommendations of the children’s best interests to the court.
Donahue submitted her report on March 5, 1998, after talking with the children, interviewing their therapists, and meeting with counsel for each of the parents. Under a separate and distinct subheading of the report, Donahue addressed the preferences of Austin, Vanessa, and Jordan, stating that each of the children made a virtually identical request to reside with their mother and to visit their father only when they desire. The report further explained:
What is apparent now is that the parents are locked in a struggle for control; and the children are prime weapons. Based on conversations with some of the professionals involved with various family members, the undersigned believes that the children were affected by the separation, to the point of missing their father; but quickly were taught that the expression of such feelings was not acceptable.
The level of emotional investment by the children in the mother’s issues and perspective is disconcerting.
It seems that they are all being given adult information and are expected to express adult concerns and desires for resolution; and the adult they are expressing is their mother. These children are all very articulate and say very clearly what they want. However, the virtual identity of words and phrases used brings to mind old films of brainwashing techniques used by Communist forces against American soldiers in the 40’s and 50’s. The only difference is that these children are more animated than the brainwashing victims from the films. They seem to have internalizedthe messages they are expressing. At the same time, the father in this matter is not without responsibility for the children’s situation. He seems to fail to take into account the importance of all three children that they be able to retain some control over their own lives during this process.
It has been reported that, when the children try to discuss the importance of continuing to participate in activities, the father’s response is that they will participate in whatever he says, because he is the father.
The extent to which such reports are accurate is not something the undersigned can determine; but it is clear that the children, whether rightly or wrongly, do not see his actions in recent months as being motivated primarily by concern for them.
In her conclusion and recommendation, Donahue advised that the children should maintain “some sort of regular contact with their father.” Donahue recognized, however, that the children do not want a visitation schedule and would rather visit their father when they want. Thus, Donahue stated that she felt “bound to make such a recommendation to the [c]ourt.”
On March 25, 1998, Alison filed a motion to remove Donahue as the children’s guardian ad litem. She urged that the children have “extreme reservations” about Donahue’s representation of them and “have continued to voice their protest and reluctance to meet and/or discuss any issues relating to this matter” with Donahue. Alison requested that the trial court remove Donahue from the case and permit Austin and Vanessa to be “unaided by any outside counsel or influence from the [clourt.”
In response, Donahue agreed that Austin and Vanessa apparently did not want to meet with her and had refused to meet with her on many occasions. Donahue suggested, therefore, that she be removed from her appointment. She also recommended that the court continue to monitor the children and appoint new counsel for them. Nicholas also did not oppose the motion and expressly agreed with Donahue’s suggestion that new counsel should be appointed for the children. In an order filed on April 14, 1998, the trial court removed Donahue and appointed Cecilia Keller to replace Donahue as the children’s guardian ad litem.
Keller has also encountered great difficulty as the children’s guardian ad litem. Despite several requests, she has been denied the opportunity to meet with the children in their home. For reasons not articulated to this Court, or the court below, Austin and Vanessa do not want to speak with Keller and she is not welcome in Alison’s home. Per the court’s request, Keller submitted an initial report to the court, relaying appellants’ desires to visit with their father only when they wish as well as her independent suggestion of the children’s best interest. 4 The trial court has also received numerous letters from Austin and Vanessa, in which they vehemently express their preference to live with their mother and visit their father at their own discretion and emphatically relay their concerns about their mother’s expenses.
On July 30,1998, Keller filed a motion for mental evaluation of the parties and the children, explaining that the evaluations would be of great assistance to a determination of the children’s best interest, given the reports of Alison, Austin, and Vanessa that Nicholas was “stalking and harassing” them, Alison’s refusal to
On November 23, 1998, Carrico purported to enter an appearance on appellants’ behalf. The trial court refused to recognize the appearance and, on December 17, 1998, Carrico filed a motion to intervene, urging that Austin and Vanessa requested his representation in their parents’ lawsuit. A hearing was held on December 22, 1998, addressing the motion to intervene as well as Alison’s failure to comply with the orders for visitation and mental evaluations. The court concluded that appellants were not entitled to intervene as a party and that Alison had failed to comply with both the visitation order and the mental evaluation order. This appeal was timely noted from the court’s January 28, 1999 order denying the motion to intervene.
DISCUSSION
I
Appellants contend that the trial judge committed reversible error by denying their motion to intervene. In support of this contention, they maintain that their mother is not representing their interests because she has violated court orders on several occasions. The children also aver that Keller does not and is not able to communicate their interests to the court because there is a conflict of interest between their interests and the interests of their brother, Jordan. They further insist that Keller has failed to represent them zealously, as demonstrated by her suggestion that they undergo a mental evaluation. Finally, Austin and Vanessa contend that intervention should be permitted because Austin is sixteen-years-old and a sixteen-year-old child may petition for change of custody on his or her own behalf.
Appellants apparently assert that they are entitled to intervene as a matter of right. 5 Intervention of right is governed by Md. Rule 2-214(a) (1999), which states:
Upon timely motion, a person shall be permitted to intervene in an action: (1) when the person has an unconditional right to intervene as a matter of law; or (2) when the person claims an interest relating to the property or transaction that is the subject of the action, and the person is so situated that the disposition of the action may as a practical matter impair or impede the ability to protect that interest unless it is adequately represented by existing parties.
Four requirements must be met before an individual is entitled to intervention of right: “(1) the application for intervention must be timely; (2) the applicant[s] must have an interest in the subject matter of the action; (3) disposition of the action would at least potentially impair the applicant[s’] ability to protect [their] interest; and (4) the applicants’] interest must be inadequately represented by existing parties.”
Stewart v. Tuli
[T]he child’s own wishes may be consulted and given weight if he [or she] is of sufficient age and capacity to form a rational judgment.
The desires of the child are consulted, not because of any legal right to decide the question of custody, but because the court should know them in order to be better able to exercise its discretion wisely. It is not the whim of the child that the court respects, but [the child’s] feelings, attachments, reasonable preference and probable contentment.
Ross v. Pick,
Additionally, the children have a substantial interest in the outcome of their parents’ custody dispute and are individuals with rights recognized by the courts,
6
even though they are not formally recognized parties to the lawsuit.
See Lapides v. Lapides,
Third, disposition of the custody dispute has the potential to impair appellants’ ability to protect their interests. A custody order may not be altered absent a material change in circumstances warranting a modification.
See Jordan v. Jordan,
In the instant case, the trial court denied the motion for intervention, reasoning that the children’s interests were adequately represented in the lawsuit. Our analysis also turns on the fourth prong of the test, namely, whether the children’s interests are inadequately represented by the existing parties. If the children’s interests are not identical to an interest already represented, they must be permitted to intervene as a matter of right. On the other hand, if their interests are identical to that of an existing party, a “compelling showing must be made in order to demonstrate inadequacy of [the existing] representation” and, thus, permit intervention as a matter of right.
See Maryland Radiological Soc., Inc. v. Health Servs. Cost Review Comm’n.,
The Children’s Mother
Appellants correctly assert that their mother is not able to adequately represent their interest in the lawsuit. In
Ford v. Ford,
In Maryland, the Court of Appeals reached a similar decision, ruling that, when parents are involved in a “continuing custody battle,” they cannot make legal decisions that relate to the underlying lawsuit on the child’s behalf.
See Nagle v. Hooks,
The Court of Appeals ruled that it was inappropriate for the parents to control the privilege and the trial court was required to appoint a guardian ad litem to act in the child’s best interest:
Although arguably the parent who pursuant to court order has custody of a child could qualify as a “previously appointed guardian” under section 9 — 109(c), it is patent that such custodial parent has a conflict of interest in acting on behalf of the child in asserting or waiving the privilege of nondisclosure. We believe that it is inappropriate in a continuing custody “battle” for the custodial parent to control the assertion or waiver of the privilege of nondisclosure.
Keeping in mind “the best interest of the child,” we believe the appointment of an attorney to act as the guardian of the child in the instant matter is required. Furthermore, the appointment of a neutral third party would eliminate the very real possibility, as may exist in this case, of one of two warring parents exercising the power of veto for reasons unconnected to the polestar rule of “the best interests of the child.”
Id.
at 127-128,
The policy set forth by the
Nagle
Court is applicable to the instant ease. Austin and Vanessa are unable to represent themselves in this dispute. Although Alison has
pendente lite
custody and may otherwise be deemed the parent responsible for acting on the children’s behalf, Alison is a party to the dispute. Consequently, “it is patent that [she] has a conflict of interest in acting on behalf of the [children].”
Id.
at 127,
Furthermore, an attorney for the children’s parents “cannot be expected to truly represent the children because [the attorney] ultimately owe[s] loyalty to the[ ] client.” Tari Eitzen,
A Child’s Right to Independent Legal Representation in a Custody Dispute,
19 Fam. L.Q. 53, 62 (1985).
See also Veazey
v. Veazey,
The Guardian Ad Litem
In actions concerning a minor child’s custody, visitation, or child support, “the court may: (1) appoint to represent the minor child counsel who may not represent any party to the action; and (2) impose against either or both parents counsel fees.” F.L. § 1-202. Recognizing that children may become pawns in their parents’ fight to prevail on issues such as custody, visitation, or child support,
see Lapides,
Although the labels and the roles of child representatives in custody disputes vary, over half of the states in this country-have enacted statutes enabling trial courts to appoint independent representatives for children.
See
Eitzen,
[t]he guardian ad litem’§ role has been characterized as investigator, monitor, and champion for the child.
In custody matters, the guardian ad litem has traditionally been viewed as functioning as an agent or arm of the court, to which it owes its principal duty of allegiance, and not strictly as legal counsel to a child client. In essence, the guardian ad litem role fills a void inherent in the procedures required for the adjudication of custody disputes. Absent the assistance of a guardian ad litem, the trial court, charged with rendering a decision in the “best interests of the chüd,” has no practical or effective means to assure itself that all of the requisite information bearing on the question will be brought before it untainted by the parochial interests of the parents. Unhampered by the ex parte and other restrictions that prevent the court from conducting its own investigation of the facts, the guardian ad litem essentially functions as the court’s investigative agent, charged with the same ultimate standard that must ultimately govern the court’s decision — i.e., the “best interests of the child.” Although the child’s preferences may, and often should, be considered by the guardian ad, litem in performing this traditional role, such preferences are but one fact to be investigated and are not considered binding on the guardian. Thus, the obligations of a guardian ad litem necessarily impose a higher degree of objectivity on a guardian ad litem than is imposed on an attorney for an adult.
The three state appellate courts that have had the opportunity to address the question raised by appellants all agreed that a child is not entitled to intervene in his or her parents’ custody dispute.
See Miller, supra; Hartley, supra; J.A.R. v. County of Maricopa,
Similarly, the Supreme Court of Colorado has ruled that, when a state statute provides for a court-appointed guardian
ad litem,
the child is not also entitled to intervene on his or her own behalf with an attorney of his or her choice.
See Hartley,
A similar result must be reached in the instant case. The General Assembly has provided trial courts with the discretion to appoint a guardian
ad litem,. See
F.L. § 1-202. The appointed attorney may fill various roles, including reporting the children’s preferences to the court, investigating the reasons for the children’s preferences, and making an independent determination of their best interests.
See Leary,
Our conclusion is not altered by the children’s complaints that Keller is not zealously advocating their wishes and is representing Justin, who has expressed a different preference. Keller’s representation of the children has been consistent with the guidelines this Court enunciated in
Leary. See Leary,
In addition, the fact that Keller filed a motion in support of mental evaluations of Alison, Nicholas, and each of the children does not alter our conclusion. The motion asserts that evaluations would assist the court in making its best interest determination, particularly in light of the parents’ inability to cooperate, the children’s high level of involvement in the parents’ dispute, and the numerous allegations of mistreatment of the children. Keller did not suggest that appel lants are in favor of the evaluations. Her motion was made pursuant to the children’s best interests and, thus, was consistent with her role as their guardian.
Furthermore, a guardian’s representation of the best interests of siblings with differing preferences is not an impermissible conflict of interest.
See Clark,
As a final matter, we are not persuaded by appellants’ argument that they are entitled to intervene because children sixteen years of age or older may file a petition for a modification of custody on
Although the legislature could have expanded F.L. § 9-103 by expressly so providing, allowing children to petition for modification of custody but not permitting them to intervene in an initial custody determination is a logical distinction. An initial custody hearing provides greater protections of a child’s best interests. Most important, the custody dispute necessarily places the child’s best interests at issue. At the hearing, the parents present arguments concerning the child’s best interests and a guardian ad litem is often appointed to investigate the best interests of the child. In addition, the trial judge, who typically interviews the child to learn his or her preferences, is bound by the polestar rule of the best interests of the child.
After a custody determination is made, however, the court will not alter a custody order until petitioned by a party who demonstrates that there has been a material change in circumstances affecting the child.
See Levitt v. Levitt,
The trial court, consequently, did not err by denying the children’s motion to intervene in their parents’ custody dispute.
II
Appellants, nevertheless, argue that they are entitled to an advocate for their preferences. Indeed, Austin and Vanessa urge that they are entitled to choose the attorney who they would like to advocate their preferences. In
Leary,
this Court recognized that the roles assumed by a guardian
ad litem
“may lead to an inherent tension between the attorney’s role as advocate for the child and his or her duty to the court.”
Leary,
There can be no question that Austin and Vanessa have preferences for the outcome of the litigation. As explained
supra,
their preferences
are
a requisite factor for the court’s best interest ruling.
See Leary,
Although Maryland courts have not yet had the opportunity to rule on the question of whether children are entitled to an advocate, several state courts have decided the issue. The Supreme Court of Connecticut has concluded that a trial court has the discretion to appoint a guardian
ad litem
as well as a child advocate when doing so will assist the court in making its best interest determination.
See Newman v. Newman,
Similarly, in
Bawidamann v. Bawidamann,
The Family Court of the City of New York has utilized a more flexible approach, ruling that the role of the guardian
ad litem,
or law guardian, varies according to the age, intelligence, and maturity of the child.
See Scott v. Bruce,
By contrast to the few states that allow for separate advocacy of a child’s wishes in
In declining to provide children with an additional attorney to advocate their preferences, the courts have concluded that an advocate’s presence at the custody hearing would rarely provide the trial judge with relevant information that would not otherwise be revealed by the guardian’s report and the judge’s interview with the children.
See Hartley,
In light of the minimal contribution a children’s advocate could make to custody proceedings and the tremendous increase in time and cost that would result from allowing children to have an advocate, we hold that children are not entitled to an advocate for their preferences in their parents’ custody dispute. As the
Clark
Court wisely observed, the costs of employing an advocate for the children’s wishes “would in every case conscript family resources better directed to the children’s needs outside the litigation process.”
Clark,
Furthermore, even if we were to agree that a child advocate would assist the trial court in making its best interest determination, analogous case law is unanimous that the trial judge must appoint — or at least approve — of the child advocate in order to insure that the attorney is both competent to represent the child and independent of any influence from the parents or other family members.
See generally J.A.R.,
In the case
sub judice,
the trial court observed that Carrico was not a neutral representative. Carrico was not initially contacted by the children, but rather, by either Alison or Alison’s friend. Likewise, Alison’s parents are funding the representation. Based upon the trial court’s observation
Ill
Finally, Austin and Vanessa urge that the trial court erred by instructing Carrico that he may not speak with the children. Communications between attorneys and individuals represented by counsel are strictly prohibited unless the attorney representing the individuals has consented to the communication. Rule 4.2 (1999) of the Maryland Rules of Professional Conduct provides:
Rule 4.2 Communication With Person Represented by Counsel
In representing a client, a lawyer shall not communicate about the subject of the representation with a party the lawyer knows to be represented by another lawyer in the matter, unless the lawyer has the consent of the other lawyer or is authorized by law to do so.
According to the comment following Rule 4.2, “[tjhis Rule also covers any person, whether or not a party [ ], who is represented by counsel concerning the matter in question.”
When a child is represented by a guardian
ad litem,,
other attorneys are generally prohibited from communicating with
the child absent the guardian’s consent.
See Disciplinary Proceedings Against Kinast,
Austin and Vanessa are not parties to their parents’ litigation; they are represented by a guardian ad litem. There is, in their view, at least a perceived conflict of interest between what they believe is in their best interest and the guardian’s role in making a recommendation to the court. As we previously noted, the Supreme Court of Wyoming observed in Clark v. Alexander, supra, "... the guardian ad litem functions as the court’s investigative agent, charged with the same ultimate standard that must ultimately govern the court’s decision — i.e., the best interest of the child.” Id. at 152.
Rule 4.2, although indisputably applicable to the representation by a guardian, contemplates legal representation where interference with the attorney-client relationship by outside counsel impedes accomplishment of the client’s stated legal objectives and instructions to achieve those objectives, on the one hand, and where such interference undermines the credibility of the attorney of record with his or her client and erodes trust and the confidential nature of the relationship between attorney and client, on the other hand.
In the case of a guardian
ad litem,
the overarching obligation of the guardian is to act as an investigative arm of the court and aid it in its determination of what is in the best interest of the child. In this role, the guardian is less concerned with providing counsel and advising the children and
more concerned with reporting accurately the familial history and relationships of the parties to the dispute and the resulting impact on the current and projected future well being of the children. In other words, the guardian’s principal undertaking is to
obtain
information
from
and
about
the children rather than
dispense
information
In the case at hand, we have held herein that the minor children are not entitled to be a party to the dispute; thus, they have available to them for legal consultation only the guardian. Rule 4.2 of the Rules of Professional Conduct proscribes communication “about the subject of the [guardian’s] representation” which, in this case, is the custodial arrangement which promotes the best interests of the children. To be sure, Carrico’s discussions with Austin and Vanessa were about the subject of the representation in a technical sense; however, as we have observed, the guardian’s primary task was to investigate and obtain information from the children to be factored into the guardian’s recommendation to the court. Carrico’s function, limited by our present holding, is solely to disseminate information to the children, a function we do not believe could be adequately performed by the guardian in her role as an investigative arm of the court. While the subject of the representation may be the same under Rule 4.2, we believe the children, by reason of the court’s order prohibiting Carrico from speaking to the chil dren, effectively deprived Austin and Vanessa — who were just shy of being young adults — of access to legal counsel with respect to matters not within the purview of the guardian’s realm of responsibility.
We note that, with respect to the lower court’s order regarding contact with the children, the issue is much broader than the question of interfering with the guardian’s ostensible representation of appellants. Rather, Carrico was ordered not to speak to the children. It follows that, as a result of our holding that the children do not enjoy the status of a party to the dispute, the mischief Miller, supra, cautioned against, i.e., objection to settlement offers, participating in discovery, calling witnesses on behalf of the children, and otherwise “complicat[ing] [the litigation] exponentially” is not applicable. More important, notwithstanding that Carrico was retained by the mother and maternal grandparents, ordering the children not to speak with counsel, without any limitations designed to prevent undermining the guardian’s authority is, in our view, overly broad and an abuse of the court’s discretion.
We hasten to make clear that we do not believe that the case at hand is typical. Notably, appellants are aggrieved, not by the failure of the guardian to convey to the court their preferences and concerns, but rather by their belief that their perceptions of what is in their best interests are not being adequately and precisely articulated. That the guardian has faithfully reported to the court the preferences and concerns of the children, to the best of her ability, is apparently not an issue. In this case, given the guardian’s obligation to investigate and consider the children’s preferences, we believe the more precise formulation of these preferences, couched in legal terminology, could prove to be a valuable resource to the guardian in preparing her recommendation to the court. Additionally, counsel could provide assurances to the children that the relief they seek, not available as a result of these
We are guided in our decision on this issue primarily by the ages, intelligence, and maturity of Austin and Vanessa and our belief that a void in their representation results from precluding them from participating as parties to the proceedings and the nature of the role of the guardian as an investigative arm of the court. They seek the right to consult with privately retained and compensated counsel because they have no rights to obtain personal legal advice from the guardian or to instruct her as to their objectives or to direct her in her course of action in achieving those objectives. Carrico is neither likely to erode the children’s trust or confidence in the guardian or undermine the guardian’s credibility. In other words, because of the peculiar role of the guardian as a de facto officer of the court, there is virtually no potential of private counsel to interfere detrimentally with the relationship between the guardian and appellants. Although the law recognizes the necessity to act on behalf of individuals below the age of majority, the disability should not preclude children who are mature and astutely aware of and involved in the proceedings to determine their custody from consulting with private counsel.
Consequently, although we hold that Rule 4.2 of the Maryland Rules of Professional Conduct applies to communications with minors for whom guardians have been appointed, under the unique facts of this case, we are not persuaded that private counsel should be prohibited from consulting with the children because of the ages, intelligence, and maturity of appellants and the real or perceived inability of the guardian ad litem to be the investigative arm of the court and reporter of the children’s preferences to the court, while simultaneously acting as advocate for appellants.
CONCLUSION
In sum, we perceive that Austin and Vanessa are mature and intelligent individuals. Nevertheless, children, no matter how mature and intelligent, are simply not permitted to participate as traditional parties in their parents’ divorce actions. It is unfortunate that Austin and Vanessa have become so involved in this matter. There can be no doubt that it has been difficult enough for each of these children to bear witness to their parents’ battle for custody and visitation. Rather than attempting to minimize the traumatic effects of this divorce, their parents have gone to great lengths to involve the children. We believe, however, that they, as the persons most affected by the proceedings, should be accorded the right to be informed as would be the right of any adult so affected.
Although Austin and Vanessa contend that they do not feel the court is hearing their concerns, 8 we have found overwhelming evidence in the record showing that the children’s views are well known by the trial court. The children have written many letters to the trial judge explaining why they prefer to live with their mother and control any visitation with their father. In addition, Keller has endeavored to state the children’s preference with the utmost clarity.
At the motion hearing, the trial judge explained that children are ordinarily interviewed in chambers by the presiding judge. He added that there was no reason to suspect that these children would be denied this opportunity to explain their preferences to him. Austin and Vanessa must understand that, by expressing their views to the court directly, rather than as parties to the dispute, they will fulfill their role in the proceeding. We have no doubt that, in light of their age, intelligence, and maturity, the judge will give thoughtful
ORDER OF THE CIRCUIT COURT FOR CHARLES COUNTY DENYING APPELLANTS’ RIGHTS TO SPEAK TO ATTORNEY VACATED; JUDGMENT OTHERWISE AFFIRMED.
COSTS TO BE PAID BY APPELLANTS.
Notes
. Brenton, age 13, has been removed from the Auclair home and presently resides with long-term foster parents. Alison's complaint did not request that the court alter this arrangement and, although Nicholas visits regularly with Brenton, he also believes Brenton’s foster arrangement is preferable.
. At Alison’s request, Jordan now resides with Nicholas. A consent order, dated July 13, 1998, confirms the change in pendente lite custody.
. The denial of a motion to intervene is an appealable final order.
See Montgomery County v. Bradford,
. Soon after leaving Alison’s home to reside with Nicholas, Jordan asserted that he would like to remain in the permanent custody of his father and only visit Alison, Austin, and Vanessa in a public location, such as the local mall.
. Appellants’ brief does not state whether the motion to intervene was for intervention of right or permissive intervention. No objection was made to the trial judge’s treatment of their contention as a motion for intervention of right. Therefore, we also shall treat the argument as a motion for intervention as a matter of right.
.
See Application of Gault,
. An identical assertion was made about their first guardian. Although the children urge that they are unable to communicate well with the guardians, they offer no explanation for their discomfort or distrust. In addition, it is difficult to conceive of how these children could reach the conclusion that they lack confidence in or are unable to communicate well with the guardians when they have failed to meet with either guardian for more than one or two occasions. In its oral decision denying the children’s motion to intervene, the trial court observed that “part of the problem here is that neither Ms. Donahue nor Ms. Keller has been able to deal with these kids one-on-one.” We agree.
. The children have not stated why they suspect the court has not heard them. We infer that Austin and Vanessa may feel this way because the court's pendente lite order did not give them the unstructured visitation they requested. It is important for these children to remember that it is the court’s duty to do what is in their best interest, even if it is not what they want.