By two orders in the spring of 1971, pursuant to 18 U.S.C. § 2518(3), the District Court for the Western District of New York authorized the tapping of certain telephones, not on premises occupied by the appellants, Bova, Carbone and Divizio (hereinafter “the witnesses”), on the basis of applications by the United States showing probable cause to believe that the premises were being used for the conduct of a gambling business prohibited by 18 U.S.C. § 1955. The taps yielded, among other things, conversations of the three appellants. They were later subpoenaed to testify before a grand jury, the Government conceding that most of the questions to be asked were the fruit of the wiretaps. They moved for suppression, under 18 U.S.C. § 2518(10) (a), on grounds hereafter stated. In consequence of various delays unnecessary to detail, the motions remained undecided when the grand jury returned an indictment in United States v. Joseph M. Fino, et al., Cr. 1971-143, against nine defendants, none of whom were the witnesses — although the latter were named as co-conspira *405 tors. Subsequently, without ruling on the suppression motions, Judge Curtin granted the Government’s request for transactional immunity, see 18 U.S.C. § 2514, for each of the witnesses in order to protect their Fifth Amendment rights, and directed them to testify before the grand jury, which was still sitting. The witnesses nonetheless refused to answer any questions, asserting their right of privacy under the Fourth Amendment, and the Government made application to Judge Curtin for a contempt order. Before the application could be decided, the Government requested that the suppression motions be transferred to Chief Judge Henderson, who was to preside at the Fino trial, which ultimately was scheduled to begin on April 11, 1972. The request was granted, 1 and the contempt application was formally dismissed. Before final argument to Judge Henderson on the suppression motions, the witnesses were served with trial subpoenas. Many objections to the wiretaps were advanced —that one of the interception orders had not been properly limited; that, because of use of the preposition “from,” the other order authorized only the interception of outgoing calls whereas the witnesses’ were incoming; that the procedures within the Department of Justice for processing the applications were defective for lack of personal participation by any officer specifically authorized by Congress; 2 and that the affidavits on which the orders were made were insufficient insofar as they relied on the presumption with respect to probable cause created by 18 U.S.C. § 1955(c), which was alleged to be unconstitutional. Chief Judge Henderson overruled all these objections in an opinion dated April 4, 1972. 3
The witnesses promptly filed a notice of appeal and moved for an expedited hearing and an interim order restraining the United States Attorney from directing any, questions to them based upon intercepted telephone conversations should they be called to testify at the Fino trial. The Government countered with a motion to dismiss for lack of appellate jurisdiction. On hearing our motion calendar on April 11, we deferred ruling on the Government’s motion, set the appeal for argument on April 13, and requested the Government to refrain from calling the witnesses or otherwise *406 developing the intercepted conversations until that time. Further study convinced us that the motion to dismiss should be granted. On April 13 we directed entry of an order to that effect and announced that an opinion would be filed as soon as practicable.
Insofar as appellants’ grievance relates to the subpoenas requiring them to testify, the want of the finality essential to appealability under 28 U.S.C. § 1291 has been settled since Alexander v. United States,
In
Di Bella
the Court stiffened the phraseology that had been used in
Carroll,
saying: “Only if the motion is solely for return of property and is in no way tied to a criminal prosecution
in esse
against the movant can the proceedings be regarded as independent.”
Appellants’ argument why their appeal comes within the exception begins with the premise that, in contrast to the cases we have summarized, the Government very likely is not dependent on their testimony to prove the contents of the intercepted conversations. The Government may bypass contempt proceedings and call the agents who conducted the interceptions to testify as to the substance of appellants’ conversations. The agents’ recollections will be supported by tapes and logs. Such testimony will be admissible, for example, if, as often occurs in gambling prosecutions, the conversations are not within the hearsay rule, see United States v. Costello,
If the exception to the
Alexander-Cobbledick-Carroll-Di Bella
line of cases relates only to the return of property, appellants’ argument clearly fails. Telephone conversations are not “property” in the ordinary meaning of language, nor is there any effective method for their “return.” It is obviously impossible to excise and surrender to the appellants the memories of the agents who conducted the interceptions, and the tapes and logs, as tangible items, are the Government’s property, not the appelants’. None of the dissenters in Olmstead v. United States,
We do not believe that the statement quoted from United States v. Ryan,
supra,
To be sure, damages, even the liquidated and punitive damages provided by § 2520, are far from being a perfect remedy for improper revelation of telephone conversations, especially when, as stated in the final sentence of that section, “A good faith reliance on a court order or legislative authorization shall constitute a complete defense to any civil or criminal action . . . .” But Congress did not leave persons like appellants with the damage remedy alone. It interposed between the interception and the revelation the power of the district judge. This is no niggardly measure of protection. As said in
Cobbledick, supra,
The appeal is dismissed for lack of appellate jurisdiction.
Notes
. Before the transfer the Government waived the question of the witnesses’ standing to move to suppress so far as concerned the hearing in the district court. Although it expressed its desire to preserve the issue if the matter should ultimately be appealed, it has not raised the point here. The Government, which had initially challenged the witnesses’ standing, made the concession below apparently because it considered the witnesses’ testimony essential to the trial of the
Fino
indictment and did not wish to incur the lengthy delay of that trial which full litigation of the witnesses’ standing might well have entailed. At least in part, the Government’s fear of litigious delay was undoubtedly based on the fact that 18 U.S.C. § 2518(10) (a) refers to “Any aggrieved person in any trial . . in or before any court . of the United States,” although not to a witness summoned to appear before a grand jury — an omission which has forced judges of the courts of appeals to spill a considerable amount of ink, with varying results and rationales. See Dudley v. United States,
. This objection fell by the wayside in light of the district court’s finding that each application was personally approved by former Attorney General Mitchell. Compare United States v. Pisacano,
. The judge found it unnecessary to consider the constitutionality of the presumption since the affidavits showed probable cause.
. E. g., former 18 U.S.C. § 1404 (limited right of Government to appeal orders granting suppression in narcotics cases), repealed by Pub.L.No. 91-513, title III, § 1101(b) (1) (A), 84 Stat. 1292; the broader provision concerning Government appeal of suppression orders embodied in the second paragraph of 18 U.S.C. § 3731, added by Pub.L.No. 90-351, title VIII, § 1301, 82 Stat. 237-38, and amended by Pub.L.No. 91-644, title III, § 14(a) (1), 84 Stat. 1890; and 18 U.S.C. § 2518(10) (b), discussed below.
. The American Law Institute’s Model Code of Pre-Arraignment Procedure, Tent. Draft No. 3 (April 1970) § SS 7.03 at 89-90, notes that existing statutes and rules — one might legitimately add decisions^ — -have failed adequately to discriminate between proceedings for suppression of evidentiary use and for the return of seized things. The grounds justifying one type of relief are not necessarily grounds for the other. For example, when the seizure is of contraband, the owner is not entitled to return even though the seizure was illegal. Per contra, goods not in the nature of contraband, which were legally seized, should be returned when their evidentiary utility is exhausted. The Code proposes that in granting a motion for return the court may postpone delivery until such time as the seized things are no longer needed for evidentiary use, § SS 7.03(3), and that orders granting or denying return shall be reviewable except that where the order denies return, it shall be reviewable only upon certification that the seized things are no longer needed for evidentiary purposes, § SS 7.03(4).
. Apparently it did rescue
Perlman
from what might have been deemed an expression of disapproval in
Di Bella, supra,
. It is indicative of Congress’ concern over the delay which piecemeal appeal can entail for the criminal process that as a prerequisite to Government appeal under 18 U.S.C. § 2518(10) (b), the United States Attorney must “certify that the appeal is not taken for purposes of delay.”
Appellants say that any delay of the Fino trial which this appeal might cause would be the fault of the Government in not proceeding with the motions made while they were potential grand jury witnesses. But, apart from the question of standing at that stage, see fn. 1, supra, this would simply have transposed the delay had the Government deemed it essential that the witnesses testify before the grand jury. Moreover, no matter how diligent movants may have been in seasonably raising the issue, hard-pressed district courts may often be unable to get to suppression motions until shortly before trial. ,
