The appellant here was convicted under various counts of two indictments charging interstate frauds in violation of 18 U.S.C. § 2314. His conviction was affirmed, Fernandez v. United States,
Appellant’s main contention is that the grand and petit juries, which indicted and convicted him in 1962, were “illegally *976 and unlawfully founded, arranged and constituted” in that “Spanish-Ameriean persons legally qualified and eligible for jury service and commissioner selection, residing in the counties * * * which comprise the federal district for Western State of Washington, of the Southern division (in which he was convicted), were systematically and purposely excluded: from original jury roll list, from jury panel, from serving on sitting grand and petit juries. * * * ” Petitioner alleges that he is a Spanish-Ameriean person, born in the United States, from American naturalized Spanish parents. 1
The substantive question thus sought to be raised by the appellant upon this appeal is whether, in systematically and purposely excluding from the jury rolls or lists members of a class to which appellant belong, there had been an unconstitutional discrimination against the petitioner. We assume that under the decisions of the Supreme Court in Hernandez v. Texas,
It is conceded that the appellant made no such claim or objection when he was tried. This suggests the question whether, because of the provisions of Rule 12(b) of the Federal Rules of Criminal Procedure, appellant has waived his right to complain of the constitution of the grand and petit juries arrays. Shotwell Mfg. Co. v. United States,
The Shotwell case makes it plain that if the appellant here had endeavored to *977 raise these questions upon a direct appeal from the judgment of conviction, he could not have done so. Criminal Rule 12(b) (2), supra, would require us to hold that failure to present his claim as therein required “constitutes a waiver thereof”. The question now presented is whether notwithstanding this, appellant can now raise the question by collateral attack on the judgment pursuant to Title 28 § 2255?
We have the impression that generally a collateral attack on a judgment cannot succeed when review cannot be had on direct appeal. What gives us pause here is language used by the Court in Sanders v. United States,
It is noted that Fay v. Noia and Townsend v. Sain dealt with the rights of state prisoners. There was no occasion to construe or deal with Criminal Rule 12, supra. In Fay v. Noia the question was whether petitioner had waived the right now claimed. The Court said: “The classic definition of waiver enunciated in Johnson v. Zerbst,
While Rule 12, supra, did not apply there, the State had a statutory requirement equally rigid — the provision that one in Noia’s position had a right to appeal from his conviction — a right which Noia failed to exercise.
Perhaps the Court, in deciding Sanders v. United States, supra, might have chosen to rely upon Rule 12(b) (2), as applicable to objections ‘and defenses by federal prisoners as distinct from state prisoners, thus distinguishing Fay v. Noia. But the Court chose not to do so, saying in the language quoted above, that the test of waiver in Fay v. Noia applied in Sanders.
In view of this ruling we must hold that it cannot be said that the record before us conclusively showed a waiver of petitioner’s constitutional rights within the meaning of Fay v. Noia, and that a hearing is required to ascertain whether on the facts there was an intelligent and understanding waiver of constitutional rights. 5
Therefore the judgment is reversed and the cause remanded for the purpose of permitting such hearing. 6 In the *978 event the district court finds that petitioner did not waive his constitutional right to object to the composition of the juries, the district court may also hear and determine whether in fact the juries were illegally constituted.
Notes
. He also alleges that no Spanish-American persons were on the panel from which juries were selected that indicted and convicted him, and that, although he was a registered voter in the preceding 22 consecutive years, he had never been selected for federal jury service. This allegation is of course without significance.
. Rule 12(b) (2) of the Federal Rules of Criminal Procedure, in entirety, reads as follows: “(2) Defenses and Objections Which Must Be Raised. Defenses and objections based on defects in the institution of the prosecution or in the indictment or information, other than that it fails to show jurisdiction in the court or to charge an offense may be raised only by motion before trial. The motion shall include all such defenses and objections then available to the defendant. Failure to present any such defense or objection as herein provided constitutes a waiver thereof, but the court for cause shown may grant relief from, the waiver. Lack of jurisdiction or the failure of the indictment or information to charge an offense shall be noticed by the court at any time during the pendency of the proceeding.”
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. As to who, client or counsel, may waive, see McNeil v. State of North Carolina (4 Cir.),
. The other so-called “petition”, heard with the one to which we have just referred, alleges that the grand jury which
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indicted petitioner was sworn and impaneled by the Honorable Judge Boldt, “who supposedly was a United States federal judge, but in fact was not”, and that the petit jury, which convicted petitioner, was illegal as the Honorable William East “who supposedly was a United States federal judge, but in fact was not, was without authority to act.” It is asserted that the two Judges mentioned were unlawfully confirmed by a Senate which contained “an ineligible member, in the female person, of she, Margaret Chase Smith, a woman, was wrongfully selected and elected, * * * as this female person * * * was not eligible for the office of United States Senator,” for she was a woman. This claim, just referred to, is not only frivolous but silly. Even if Margaret Chase Smith was not properly eligible to be a United States, Senator, the action of the Senate would be fully valid under the doctrine of de facto officials or official bodies. Leary v. United States, 9 Cir.,
