To decide this petition we must first determine the extent to which recent immigration statutes limit the jurisdiction of federal courts to consider challenges to removal orders brought by aliens who are removable because they committed certain criminal offenses. We hold that jurisdiction by way of petition for review of removal orders no longer exists, but that habeas jurisdiction remains. In doing so, we follow the Third Circuit’s decision in
Liang v. INS,
I.
Petitioner Andres Flores-Miramontes, a Mexican native and citizen, emigrated to the U.S. in 1978 at the age of ten, at which time he was granted legal permanent resident status. In June 1996 he pled guilty, in California, to sale or transportation of cocaine. Upon returning from a visit to Mexico in November 1997, Flores-Mira-montes was taken into custody by the INS at San Ysidro because of this conviction. On November 13, 1997, the INS charged him with inadmissibility to the United States on the ground that he was an immigrant who had been involved in illicit drug trafficking, pursuant to 8 U.S.C. § 1182(a)(2)(c) (INA § 212(a)(2)(C)). Flores-Miramontes filed a pro se application for withholding of removal and/or asylum and also requested a change of venue and continuance. At a hearing on December 22, 1997, an Immigration Judge denied all relief requested and ordered Flores-Miramontes removed to Mexico.
On January 13, 1998, while in custody, Flores-Miramontes gave his Notice of Appeal to INS officials for mailing to the Board of Immigration Appeals (“BIA”). *1135 However, the Notice was not mailed until January 21, 1998, which was the deadline date for its receipt. Consequently, the BIA received the Notice on January 23, 1998, two days late. Flores-Miramontes filed a pro se brief in support of his appeal with the BIA, but the agency summarily dismissed the appeal because the notice was untimely filed. He then filed a pro se petition for review of the BIA’s decision and motion for a stay of removal with this court, arguing that the application of the BIA’s filing deadline where INS authorities had themselves caused him to miss that deadline violated his due process rights and right of access to the courts. We granted the stay pending review. 1 Flores-Miramontes was not represented by counsel at his hearings, in his subsequent appeal to the BIA, or in filing his initial petition for review to this Court. 2
II.
The INS argues that this court lacks jurisdiction to hear the petition for review by virtue of 8 U.S.C. § 1252(a)(2)(C) (INA § 242(a)(2)(C)). The INS is correct, but not for the reasons it urges. The text of the provision states that:
Notwithstanding any other provision of law, no court shall have jurisdiction to review any final order of removal against an alien who is removable by reason of having committed a criminal offense covered in [8 U.S.C. § ] 1182(a)(2) ...
8 U.S.C. § 1252(a)(2)(C). The section referred to in the provision, section 1182(a)(2)(C), covers trafficking in controlled substances. Flores-Miramontes had been convicted of sale or transportation of cocaine, and was subsequently ordered removed for that reason. Thus, on its face the statute appears to eliminate our jurisdiction to hear Flores-Mira-montes’ petition for review of the BIA’s decision ordering his deportation.
We have found a narrow exception to this jurisdictional bar in two recent cases. Even when the jurisdictional bar relating to criminal removal orders appears to apply, we have jurisdiction to determine whether a petitioner “is an alien [removable] by reason of having been convicted of one of the enumerated offenses.”
Magana-Pizano v. INS,
Although the INS recognizes the broad preclusive language of § 1252(a)(2)(C), it argues that we nonetheless retain jurisdiction to consider “substantial constitutional” claims regarding removal orders covered by that sub-section, and therefore that we must examine the merits of Flores-Miramontes’ petition in order to determine that no “substantial constitutional” violations have taken place. In support of its argument that an exception for review of potential “substantial constitutional” violations should be read into the statute, the INS cites
Webster v. Doe,
III.
We examined a similar question in
Magana-Pizano v. INS,
In so holding, we relied on the Supreme Court’s decision in
Felker v. Turpin,
*1137 It is true that the preclusive language we interpreted in Maganar-Pizano was different from, and weaker than, the language at issue here. The permanent version of the criminal removal jurisdictional bar states “notwithstanding any other provision of law, no court shall have jurisdiction to review any final order of removal [for a criminal alien] .... ” whereas the transitional version at issue in Magana-Pizano stated “there shall be .no appeal permitted in the case of an alien who is [a criminal alien]_” Compare 8 U.S.C. § 1252(a)(2)(C) with IIRIRA § 309(c)(4)(G). However, this difference does not cause us to reach a result different from the one we reached in Magana-Pizano. First and foremost, neither statute refers to 28 U.S.C. § 2241. Both Felker and Magana-Pizano require such explicit reference before we can find a modification to, or amendment of, the general habeas statute.
Second, when analyzing the language at issue in
Maganar-Pizano,
we relied on the decisions of the vast majority of other circuits which determined that IIRI-RA did not repeal or limit existing habeas jurisdiction.
Magana-Pizano,
Finally, we note that in other contexts we have refused to treat general “notwithstanding” language as sufficient to constitute an explicit repeal of statutes far less central to our system of justice than the habeas provision. For example, in
Northwest Forest Resource Council v. Pilchuck Audubon Society,
IV.
The INS argues that our decision in
Magana-Pizano
is distinguishable for three reasons. First, it says that the “overall judicial review scheme” of the permanent rules demonstrate an intent to preclude habeas jurisdiction. Second, the INS points to 8 U.S.C. § 1252(b)(9), a provision that applies only as part of the permanent rules (and therefore was not at issue in Magana-Pizano), which it says specifically bars habeas jurisdiction in the district courts. Finally, it argues that we should follow the decision of the Eleventh Circuit in
Richardson v. Reno,
A.
As for the overall scheme
of the
permanent rules, the rules themselves do not mention the district court’s habeas jurisdiction under 28 U.S.C. § 2241. Therefore,
Magana-Pizano
and
Felker
preclude us from finding a partial repeal of the statute. The INS correctly notes that the old immigration law contained its own habeas provision, and that Congress repealed that provision, along with the old law’s entire section on jurisdiction.
See former
8 U.S.C. § 1105a(10) (INA § 106(a)(10)). However, both the Supreme Court and this court had held, prior to the repeal, that the old law’s specific habeas provision had not supplanted the general federal habeas statute.
Foti v. INS,
B.
In addition to its reference to statutory structure, the INS relies on 8 U.S.C. § 1252(b)(9) in support of its view that habeas jurisdiction has been abolished for certain aliens. That provision states that
Judicial review of all questions of law and fact, including interpretation and application of constitutional and statutory provisions, arising from any action taken or proceeding brought to remove an alien from the United States under this subchapter shall be available only in judicial review of a final order under this section.
8 U.S.C. § 1252(b)(9). The INS adds that the Supreme Court’s remarks about this provision require that we construe it to repeal the general federal habeas statute.
See Reno v. American-Arab Anti-Discrimination Committee,
First, again, we must recognize that this provision does not mention the federal ha-beas statute, and therefore cannot constitute a repeal of it, in whole or in part. While it is true that the Supreme Court has offered some, limited, guidance on the subject of § 1252(b)(9) in its brief discussion of that provision in-
American-Arab,
that case does not require a conclusion contrary to the rule set forth in
Felker.
Although § 1252(b)(9) was not at issue -in
American-Arab,
the Court characterized it by way of contrasting it with § 1252(g), which was at issue (and which it interpreted narrowly). The Court suggested that § 1252(b)(9) is a “general jurisdictional limitation” and stated that it “channels judicial review!’ of immigration actions and decisions, acting as a “zipper clause.”
Id.
at 483,
These statements do not require, or even suggest, that § 1252(b)(9) modifies or amends the general federal habeas statute. 8 Instead, they suggest, and we so hold, that § 1252(b)(9) speaks to a different issue altogether — the need to consolidate (or “zip”) petitions for review into one action in the court of appeals. The provision itself is titled “consolidation of questions for judicial review,” and is properly termed a “zipper clause.” However, what it “zips” are requests for review of various kinds of agency action which aré heard by means of petitions for “judicial review.” It does not affect petitions for habeas corpus. As the first lines of subsection (b) state, that subsection, including (b)(9), applies only “with respect to review of an order of removal under subsection (a)(1).” 8 U.S.C. § 1252(b) (emphasis added). Review under subsection (a)(1) occurs only *1140 under “chapter 158 of Title 28,” which is the Administrative Procedure Act. While the APA governs petitions for review of certain agency actions, see 28 U.S.C. § 2342, 2347, it does not govern habeas proceedings; habeas proceedings are brought under, and'subject to, 28 U.S.C. § 2241, not under the Administrative Procedure Act. It follows that § 1252(b)(9) does not apply to actions brought in habe-as corpus, and certainly does not serve to repeal in whole or in part the general habeas statute.
There is another reason it is clear that § 1252(b)(9) does not repeal the district court’s habeas jurisdiction. Congress provided in that section only how and under what circumstances “judicial review” would be available. It did not purport to prescribe any procedures governing habeas proceedings. As the Third Circuit has explained, “judicial review” and “habeas corpus” have important and distinct technical meanings in the immigration context.
Sandoval v. Reno,
When viewed in light of the history of the court’s treatment of habeas jurisdiction in deportation cases, the references to “review” in the AEDPA provision and to/‘appeal” in the IIRIRA provision are properly understood as relating to judicial review under the APA. This is so because in the immigration context, the court has historically drawn a sharp distinction between “judicial review”— meaning APA review — and the courts’ power to entertain petitions for writs of habeas corpus.
Id.
In so holding, the Third Circuit relied on the Supreme Court’s decision in
Heikkila v. Barber,
Our reading does not render § 1252(b)(9) meaningless. On the contrary, a line of immigration eases suggests that Congress had good reason to seek to consolidate certain questions in one petition for review from the final order, and thus a specific purpose for the enactment of § 1252(b)(9).
See Cheng Fan Kwok v. INS,
Section 1252(b)(9) is addressed to the question considered in these three Supreme Court cases. Rather than limiting the exclusive jurisdiction of the courts of appeals over petitions for review presenting claims that “attack the deportation order itself,” the new law establishes exclusive appellate court jurisdiction over claims “arising from any action taken or proceeding brought to remove an alien.” While § 1252(b)(9) replaces the rule of Cheng Fan Kwok, and broadens the jurisdiction of the courts of appeal over questions relating to the removal process, ha-beas corpus remains unaffected, just as it was not affected by the old law. 10
C.
The INS also relies heavily on the Eleventh Circuit’s decision in
Richardson v. Reno,
V.
Finally, we adopt our interpretation of the statute because doing so allows us to avoid the substantial constitutional question that would arise were we to find that Congress had repealed the general federal habeas statute insofar as it applies to re
*1142
moval proceedings involving criminal aliens.
See United States v. X-Citement Video, Inc.,
Apparently in response to this potential constitutional problem, the INS urges that we hold that habeas review remains available for review of “substantial constitutional” claims. The INS’s argument appears to assume, mistakenly, that federal court review of executive detention should be treated like federal court review of state court criminal convictions. However, the settings are “totally dissimilar” for several reasons, including that federal detainees have not been tried before a court and that federal court oversight of their detention does not implicate federalism concerns.
See Henderson v. INS,
The most significant problem with the INS’s attempt to save the statute by preserving review of “substantial constitutional” questions is that at common law the scope of review on habeas corpus could not have been restricted to claims of “substantial constitutional” violations, because the Constitution did not exist at common law. In fact, the Bill of Rights did not exist when the Suspension Clause was enacted.
15
Nor was the scope of review limited to “substantial Constitutional” questions when the habeas review available in immigration proceedings was eliminated “except insofar as it was required by the Constitution.”
Heikkila v. Barber,
Of course, this historical evidence does not necessarily dictate what the Constitution commands today. However, it strongly militates against our adopting an interpretation that would require us to reconcile that history with the INS’s interpretation of the Suspension Clause. Instead, we avoid the problem altogether by holding that Congress did not modify or amend the general federal habeas statute, which, as we have previously held; allows for review of both statutory and constitutional questions.
Magana-Pizano,
CONCLUSION
To determine whether the district court or the court of appeals has jurisdiction over a claim such as the one at issue here, we must first ask whether or not § 1252(a)(2) bars the filing of a petition for review. If it does, then the claim cannot be asserted in this court, although habeas corpus remains available in the district court. If, however, the bar does not apply and a petition for review is the appropriate procedure for resolving the issue, the petition must be heard in the court of appeal. 16
Because Flores-Miramontes’ petition for review is subject to § 1252’s bar, we dismiss it for lack of jurisdiction. Flores-Miramontes may, however, pursue his claim by way of a habeas corpus proceeding. The mandate shall be stayed for an additional 30 days to allow petitioner to file a habeas corpus petition in district court under 28 U.S.C. § 2241.
DISMISSED.
Notes
. Flores-Miramontes also moved the BIA to reconsider and/or reopen its dismissal, but that motion was denied.
. We appointed counsel for Flores-Mira-montes to pursue his claim after he filed his initial petition for review.
.Webster
does not speak of "substantial” constitutional claims, but rather states that a serious constitutional problem would arise if there were no judicial forum to hear "colorable” constitutional claims.
Id.
at 603,
. Unlike the petition in
Magana-Pizano,
Flores-Miramontes’ petition is governed by the permanent rules of IIRIRA, because immigration proceedings were initiated against Flores-Miramontes after April 1, 1997.
See Kalaw v. INS,
. Felker's rule was hardly novel. The Court relied on two venerable cases in support of its requirement that Congress had to mention the habeas corpus statute explicitly in order to effect any repeal.
Compare Ex Parte Yerger,
. Section 1252(g) also states that "notwithstanding any other provision of law, no court shall have jurisdiction....” But, rathér than limiting its reach to "any final order of removal” as § 1252(a)(2)(C) does, § 1252(g) bars jurisdiction to hear "any cause or claim by or on behalf of any alien arising from the decision or action by the Attorney General to commence proceedings, adjudicate cases, or execute removal orders....” Although the Supreme Court later interpreted this provision very narrowly in a case that did not consider habeas review,
see Reno v. American-Arab Anti-Discrimination Committee,
. These holdings made clear that, under the old law, aliens could challenge their deportation either by way of the general habeas statute or by way of the habeas provision in the immigration statute. While the specific provision was most commonly cited, aliens also occasionally petitipned under § 2241.
See Burr v. Edgar,
. Lest there be any doubt,
American-Arab
itself did not involve a habeas petition, but rather a collateral challenge to a deportation order brought under the federal question statute, 28 U.S.C. § 1331.
American-Arab,
. The INS also cites this court's decision in
Hose
v.
INS,
. By way of example, we note that it appears that a motion for a stay of deportation would arise from an action taken to remove an alien, and therefore properly fall within the jurisdiction of the courts of appeal (assuming that such jurisdiction was not barred by some other provision within § 1252), whereas under Cheng Fan Kwok, an appeal from such a motion would be properly heard in district court. However, we need not consider the precise scope of the consolidation rule created by § 1252(b)(9) in this case. We hold only that it does not restrict habeas corpus jurisdiction; we describe its relationship to Cheng Fan Kwok and other similar cases only to make clear that our holding is fully consistent with § 1252(b)(9).
. Our reasons for disagreeing with the Fifth and Eleventh Circuit opinions should be clear from the earlier parts of this opinion, as well as from a reading of the Third Circuit's opinion in
Liang.
However, one brief point is worth mentioning. The Eleventh Circuit, unlike the Fifth, appears to have avoided potential constitutional problems with its decision by construing § 1252(a)(2)(C) as allowing judicial review of both statutory and constitutional questions in the courts of appeal.
Richardson,
. See, e.g., Somerset v. Stewart,
98 Eng. Rep. 499 (K.B.1772) (releasing slave on habeas corpus at common law);
United States v. Villato,
. For example, if no court could review the INS's interpretation and application of the immigration laws used to detain aliens, it is not clear how habeas corpus would remain an adequate and effective remedy to "test the legality of detention.”
Swain v. Pressley,
. Apparently in response to arguments concerning the Suspension Clause, the INS argued before the Third Circuit, in a case extremely similar to this one, that the exception for judicial review that should be read into the statute should encompass not only "substantial constitutional” claims, but also claims of statutory error.
See Liang v. INS,
.
Henderson,
. Although Flores-Miramontes presented claims for asylum and withholding of removal to the Immigration Judge, the BIA did not address those issues because it ruled that his notice of appeal from the order of removal was not timely filed. As a result, in this court Flores-Miramontes challenges only the BIA's application of its deadline rule to bar his administrative appeal. Accordingly, we do not decide how a petitioner whose criminal conviction renders him subject to § 1252(a)(2)'s jurisdictional bar may challenge a decision, on the merits, denying him asylum or withholding. We hold only that Flores-Miramontes’ challenge to the BIA’s application of its deadline rule to his appeal is subject to § 1252's bar, and therefore must be brought by way of habeas corpus.
