Webber v. Armslist LLC
1:20-cv-01526
E.D. Wis.Nov 9, 2021Background:
- Plaintiff Richard Webber (special administrator for Sara Schmidt's estate) sued Armslist LLC and Jonathan Gibbon in diversity court alleging Armslist’s website design and business practices enabled a prohibited person to buy a gun that was later used to murder Schmidt.
- Complaint asserted common‑law negligence, negligence per se, public nuisance, civil conspiracy, wrongful death, survival action, and veil‑piercing against Gibbon.
- Defendants moved to dismiss for lack of personal jurisdiction and for failure to state a claim; Plaintiff moved to transfer the case to the Western District of Pennsylvania.
- Court found personal jurisdiction over both Armslist and Gibbon based on Wisconsin’s long‑arm statute and defendants’ purposeful direction of services to Wisconsin users.
- Court held § 230(c)(1) did not bar Plaintiff’s claims because the complaint targets defendants’ own website design/conduct rather than treating them as the publisher of third‑party content.
- Despite jurisdiction and § 230 ruling, the court dismissed all substantive claims for failure to state a claim: it found Plaintiff’s causation allegations implausible and, alternatively, concluded Wisconsin public policy (superseding criminal act and remoteness of injury) bars recovery.
Issues:
| Issue | Plaintiff's Argument | Defendant's Argument | Held |
|---|---|---|---|
| Motion to transfer venue | Western District of Pennsylvania is more convenient (defendants/witnesses/proof there) | Wisconsin forum is proper; transfer unnecessary and would relitigate pending motions | Denied — private factors a wash; public interest and Wisconsin law/facts favor keeping case in E.D. Wis. |
| Personal jurisdiction | Suit may proceed in Wisconsin because injury occurred there and Armslist’s services reach Wisconsin users | Defendants argued contacts insufficient for specific jurisdiction | Granted — court found purposeful availment/direction to WI customers and jurisdiction over both Armslist and Gibbon |
| CDA §230 immunity | Plaintiff: §230 does not shield claims challenging defendants’ own platform design and affirmative conduct | Defendants: §230 bars liability for harms traceable to third‑party postings on interactive service | Denied — §230(c)(1) not controlling where claim targets defendants’ own design/operation rather than treating them as publisher of third‑party content |
| Failure to state a claim / causation & public policy | Plaintiff alleges Armslist’s design foreseeably enabled prohibited purchasers and was a substantial factor in Schmidt’s death | Defendants: causal chain too remote; criminal act was superseding cause; policy precludes imposing liability on a legal marketplace | Granted — complaint fails to plausibly plead causation; alternatively recovery barred by Wisconsin public‑policy factors (remoteness, superseding criminal act, disproportionate burden) — all claims dismissed |
Key Cases Cited
- Atlantic Marine Const. Co. v. U.S. Dist. Court for W. Dist. of Texas, 571 U.S. 49 (2013) (governing analysis under 28 U.S.C. § 1404(a) for transfer requests)
- Piper Aircraft Co. v. Reyno, 454 U.S. 235 (1981) (private‑interest convenience factors for transfer)
- uBID, Inc. v. GoDaddy Grp., Inc., 623 F.3d 421 (7th Cir.) (specific jurisdiction for interactive websites with substantial in‑forum customers)
- Burger King Corp. v. Rudzewicz, 471 U.S. 462 (1985) (purposeful availment and contacts supporting specific jurisdiction)
- Vesely v. Armslist LLC, 762 F.3d 661 (7th Cir.) (dismissing negligence claim under Illinois law against Armslist for third‑party criminal act)
- City of Chicago v. StubHub!, Inc., 624 F.3d 363 (7th Cir.) (limits of § 230 and who may be treated as publisher)
- Huon v. Denton, 841 F.3d 733 (7th Cir.) (§ 230 applies in defamation/related theories; does not automatically bar all tort theories)
- Daniel v. Armslist, LLC, 386 Wis. 2d 449 (Wis. 2019) (Wisconsin Supreme Court decision addressing § 230 in a related Armslist case)
- Ashcroft v. Iqbal, 556 U.S. 662 (2009) (pleading standard: courts need not accept legal conclusions as true)
